Tested: 1981 Datsun 280ZX Turbo (1981)
65 points by RickJWagner 7 days ago | 74 comments
  • RickJWagner 7 days ago |
    Sometimes we focus on what’s not perfect today. In doing so, we might forget just how good we have it.

    TLDR: The review says the car is lightning fast and fuel efficient. By today’s standards, the car is turtle slow and horribly inefficient.

    • CraigRo 6 days ago |
      You can get a Nissan Pathfinder or a Honda Odyssey minivan with automatic 6 cylinder engines, faster performance, better gas mileage, and room for an entire family
      • brudgers 5 days ago |
        What you won't get is the haptic experience of a sports car.

        Nor the potential aesthetic experience...potential because people have different aesthetic values.

        But the haptic experience of a sports car can't be replicated in a mini-van or SUV because the suspension, driving position, acoustic and mechanical output, etc. are all vastly different from a sports car. And of course curb weight, suspension rates, and center of gravity.

        To be clear, I am not saying there is anything wrong with SUV's and/or minivans. Only that the map is not the territory.

        • parpfish 4 days ago |
          When I was a youngster getting into cars, I obsessed over the quantifiables. Which car had better horsepower, 1/4 mile, or skid pad scores. I couldn’t drive, much less afford, any of the cars so it’s the best I could do to form an opinion.

          Now that I’m a grownup, I’m capable of doing qualitative assessments on cars because I can drive them and judge their intangibles.

          Lots of cars have sub-par specs, especially compared to modern engineering, but it overlooks that they are just fun. The top speed doesn’t matter because you’re rarely going to touch it. But how does it feel when you downshifting into 2nd to pass somebody? Or take a windy corner a little faster than you should? Does it make you grin? Because that’s a good car.

          • wileydragonfly 4 days ago |
            Miata is fun at any speed…
            • jerrysievert 4 days ago |
              heck ya!

              I often have electric minivans come up next to me that have the "nod".

              I typically snort back and let them take off the line - they're a ton faster than me, but I'm the one enjoying the drive!

          • floren 4 days ago |
            I've owned a 62 Studebaker Lark and a 71 MG Midget. Both pretty damn slow by any modern measure, but both an absolute blast to drive. The Midget especially was stupidly fun on back roads with the top down. Less pleasant on city streets looking eye to eye with every pickup's lugnuts, of course.
          • asimovDev 4 days ago |
            If I am not scared for my life going over 120 km/h in a car, I don't want it

            I love lightweight cars. They are harder and harder to make due to regulations so the options are older vehicles. Or motorcycles, but that's too scary.

            I recently had the pleasure of finally driving a car on a track and it was so insanely fun even if I was driving a FWD hatchback with like 70 or 80 horsepower and a worn out shifter

          • RickJWagner 4 days ago |
            I go back and forth in crazy cycles.

            It started when I was younger. I had 2 unreliable, but fun muscle cars. ( Souped up Corvette and souped up El Camino. ) When they both broke down at the same time, I over reacted and bought a reliable, new Saturn coupe with a 5 speed.

            After 3 years of trouble free motoring in the Saturn, I traded it off for a Gen 1 Ford Lightning pickup. ( Strong acceleration for the day. ) I followed that up with a Lexus GS 300, hardly a hot rod.

            The cycle continued, back and forth. My last 3 cars have been WRX STi, Lexus ISF, and now Corolla hybrid.

            I love trying to keep the hybrid in EV mode, it’s kind of a game. A very different game than rowing the STi through the gears, but oddly similar.

            I’m hopeless.

    • ehnto 4 days ago |
      I often say this even as a Nissan diehard, all our hero cars are slow as snails by todays standards.

      I've had the pleasure of driving a lot of these cars in factory form, like the Nissan Silvia, various years of Skyline, Supras and such. They are connected, more raw than todays cars, and that is their killer feature. But they would get gapped by a 2025 Toyota Camry.

      • EdwardDiego 4 days ago |
        I too am a Nissan diehard, I just bought a P10 Primera eGT, the British built one, and regret very much selling my previous 4WD P10 (to be honest though, the dicky idle valve was very annoying), but that 4WD was amazing.

        And yeah, driving my current P10, the steering feeling is so much more... real, my son owns a P12, and it feels far more disconnected from the road.

        (I also drive a 350XV Fuga, and gosh darn, that VQ35DE(NEO) engine is a rather lovely V6).

        • ehnto 4 days ago |
          Nice! We don't see the P10 around my parts very often, super nice vehicle.

          I had a VQ25DET in a Nissan Stagea 250RX, and asside from being a gauntlet to work on in that engine bay, it was a rock solid motor.

        • hxorr 4 days ago |
          P10 primera (1st gen infinity G20, for the Americans) was a great handling car... I think the front suspension was a very similar setup to the 300zx. Bit hard to find parts for these days unfortunately.

          Currently I drive an 8th gen civic which I'd rate on par handling wise and is much more safer and modern...

          • EdwardDiego 3 days ago |
            Haha yeah, the downside is that it does love to eat struts. But gorgeous how it corners.
            • EdwardDiego 3 days ago |
              Struts == arms, missed the edit window there.
  • cebert 7 days ago |
    This should have (1981) in the title to make it clear it’s not a recently published article.
    • fuzzfactor 7 days ago |
      Today the test would be how much a mint example would bring at an auction :)
      • EdwardDiego 4 days ago |
        A lot.
        • ehnto 4 days ago |
          Having read your other comments I have a rough idea that you and I have both seen a fair share of Nissans and Datsuns thrashed into oblivion or rotting in the bush. If I had 30k and a time machine, I could have every one of my childhood dream cars and a few resto projects on the side.
  • OldSchool 4 days ago |
    This was an era of some pretty awful American cars. A mid-size family sedan would have a v6 with a carburetor and 110-125 hp and still weigh 1.5 tons or more. An automatic transmission with a lockup torque converter was probably a pretty new improvement at the time, and ABS brakes were still 5+ years away in high-end cars.
    • bluedino 4 days ago |
      The best selling car in 1981 (450,000 sold) was the Oldsmobile Cutlass, with 110 or 180 HP V6/V8 engines and a three speed automatic
      • buildsjets 4 days ago |
        If you were my dad, the V6 in your Gutless Supreme was the normally aspirated diesel, clocking 85 horsepower, and required new head gaskets approx every 20,000 miles.

        But at least the rich luxury of the crushed orange velour interior could keep you comfortable while you waited for the tow truck.

        • bluedino 4 days ago |
          They had gotten rid of the V6 diesel by 1981, and then they used the infamous 350 diesel

          https://www.curbsideclassic.com/automotive-histories/automot...

          • buildsjets 4 days ago |
            Whatever. It got sent to the crusher and we never bought an American-made car ever again.
            • bluedino 4 days ago |
              Sounds about right. Those engines ruined diesels for Americans.

              A friend of mine had one as his high school car, but his dad converted it to gasoline. I think it was in an Olds 88

          • mikestew 4 days ago |
            From your link:

            “The 4.3 L V6 that came out in 1982 did have a denser head bolt arrangement, and did not suffer the catastrophic head sealing failures of the V8.”

            V6 diesels were put in Cutlass’ until at least 1984:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_engine#V6

            • bluedino 4 days ago |
              But not in 1981 which is the year we're talking about
              • mikestew 4 days ago |
                Ah, just 1981, got it.