• pseudolus an hour ago |
  • bell-cot 38 minutes ago |
    tl;dr; version:

    While there are good use cases -

    > The United States is the world leader, with roughly ninety per cent of global capacity. [...] there are more self-storage facilities in the U.S. than there are Starbucks, McDonald’s, Walmart, Home Depot, Domino’s, Dunkin’, and Costco locations combined. Annual revenues are estimated to be more than forty billion dollars.

    > I asked a Welsh facility manager I met in Las Vegas what his customers keep in their units, and he said, “It’s . . . it’s . . . rubbish.”

    > My wife and I have a friend whose mother died in 2006. She and her siblings decided to sell their mother’s furniture and donate the proceeds to a charity that she would have approved of. “We put everything in storage temporarily, and it’s all still there,” our friend told me. She figures that they’ve spent at least fifty thousand dollars in rental fees so far—more than they could get from selling the furniture.

    • micromacrofoot 15 minutes ago |
      People can get unusually attached to their stuff regardless of its objective value.
    • close04 12 minutes ago |
      > She figures that they’ve spent at least fifty thousand dollars in rental fees so far—more than they could get from selling the furniture.

      That probably doesn't even consider inflation, $1 in 2006 was worth $1.60 in today's money. People are really bad at long term financial planning but also get really attached to objects with some sentimental value. So this is a market where it's even easier to exploit that poor financial education.

  • Jaauthor 26 minutes ago |
    Taking this moment to remind everyone that 'Swedish death cleaning' is a healthy, holistic way to not give a storage unit your money.

    https://www.thespruce.com/swedish-death-cleaning-4801461

    • dylan604 13 minutes ago |
      I'm in the midst of trying to decide on getting a storage unit or totally downsizing like this. To the point I was thinking of asking my landlord who they would use if a tenet died and left their rental property full of stuff just to see who I could call to make it all go a way. A one time fee vs monthly fees seems like a decent trade off to me.
    • AdmiralAsshat 7 minutes ago |
      Do they blast Entombed albums while performing Swedish death cleaning?
  • eth0up 23 minutes ago |
    We also happen to have an extremely serious homelessness problem, which is not relegated to CA.

    Go to any warm state in the country and ride through the parking lots at night. If you are the observant type, you should see an astonishing number of folks living in their vehicles.

    And home ownership is not only downward, but no longer part of the American dream for most people now. Storage facilities for many, are a place to lay down, or rent hope that things won't always be "this way".

    We need to fix this. It's not just drugs and mental problems anymore.

    • DanielHB 18 minutes ago |
      It is very interesting that in many big cities in most places in the world, but especially Europe having a car while living in a big city is a big luxury while in the US homeless people have cars.
      • AbsurdCensor 15 minutes ago |
        And that per capita Europe has a bigger unhoused problem than the United States. There aren't simple solutions, because the real solutions would change how society needs to work. Maybe less about money and more about the right to survive or something.
        • huurtehoog 6 minutes ago |
          Not all European countries. There are 20 European countries bellow the per 100.000 level of homelessness than the US.
      • zulux 15 minutes ago |
        One problem that poorer American people have is too much food, leading to obesity.
        • bronco21016 7 minutes ago |
          Do they have too much food? It seems to me that calorically dense foods that provide almost no nutritional value are “cheap” and abundant while healthy food choices are expensive and require time and effort to store and prep.

          For example, if I’m living out of a car I’m more likely to use EBT to buy some bags of chips I can toss in the car rather than some cheap chicken and fresh veggies or eggs. How would I store chicken or cook any of it if I live in a car?

          Yes, I know there are solutions here like small fridges and hot plates. But those cost money and require time and effort. Again, scenario is living in a car or the streets.

      • eth0up 7 minutes ago |
        I find little of interest in that. The US enforces private property in a far more aggressive manner than most other countries, and the definition of public property, and functional amount thereof, are also very different. Merely laying down behind a bush can be a violation of "Illegal Camping within City Limits"/

        Additionally, rent can easily be inaccessible for the employed. And for those who don't have vehicles, 'just moving to a cheaper area" is not a practical option.

    • api 18 minutes ago |
      Required link I always leave in these discussions:

      https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-every...

      IMO high housing prices are destroying civilization.

      • Swizec 14 minutes ago |
        > IMO high housing prices are destroying civilization.

        It's like a game of musical chairs. There aren't enough houses to go around. You go around and the music stops. Everyone scrambles to their nearest chair. Obviously the person on crutches will be the first to fall out of the game. The rest then talk about laziness, drugs, bootstraps, and all the rest. But add 1 more chair and there's no problem, even the dude with the broken leg can sit.

        • cousin_it 6 minutes ago |
          Yeah. I like how Kat Woods phrased it: "You can give the slowest child sprinting lessons, but there are still nine chairs."
    • micromacrofoot 17 minutes ago |
      Of course the storage unit living has been romanticized in literature too, I recall the unit in Snow Crash being a whopping 600 square feet. A palace compared to the reality of storage unit and car living today.
      • chrsw 13 minutes ago |
        600 sq ft is about the size of my apartment, which at market rate is about $3k/mo.
    • diskzero 7 minutes ago |
      As someone who has worked directly with these people in Los Angeles and Seattle, I tend to focus locally, otherwise the enormity of the situation is overwhelming and fills me with despair.

      When you say “we need to fix this” no one can agree what “this” is. There is no one “this” and it becomes a morass of generational systemic issues, localized problems, competing views on economics, morality, government and more. It reminds me of when tech people show up to “fix” education. It just isn’t a single issue.

      I agree we need to fix something, but as soon as I think about the big picture it feels futile and I have been involved in efforts for decades.

  • ryandrake 10 minutes ago |
    > There’s probably a fifth D: the delusion that your children will want the items you’re planning to bequeath to them, especially the kind of furniture that used to be called antiques

    I'm at the age where a lot of friends are starting to deal with parents passing away, and it is very stressful for the next-of-kin to not only have to deal with the grief of loss, but then have to figure out what to do with houses and storage units full of junk. Some attempt to pick through the crap to find the 0.1% with legit sentimental value, others have more energy and try to do yard sales / estate sales, but most just call the truck and haul everything to the dump.

    I don't know where people get this idea that their children are going to appreciate garages full of falling-apart furniture, "fine china" and 1970s era stereo equipment. If you want to pass on something to your children they will appreciate, pass them a cleaned-out home or pre-arrange a junk hauler.

    • neutronicus 7 minutes ago |
      It's just the ultimate procrastination. Like you can literally put this task (getting rid of junk) off for your whole life. Why wouldn't you?
    • applfanboysbgon 6 minutes ago |
      For most of human history, children very much would appreciate inheriting crafted goods. The kind of rampant, commoditized consumerism where we routinely snub our noses at and throw away perfectly useful goods is a rather recent trend.
  • freetime2 7 minutes ago |
    Personally I have an almost neurotic aversion to recurring monthly payments. I'll cancel a $6/mo Netflix subscription if I feel it's not being used, and start it up again later when there's something I want to watch.

    I also hate junk. If anything I own doesn't get used for more than a year, I'll sell it or trash it (with a few exceptions).

    So the even the thought of paying a monthly fee to store junk gives me real anxiety.