Less Popular Than Coal
47 points by _delirium 16 hours ago | 68 comments
  • silverFork 15 hours ago |
    It is obvious that is about fight for resources and supremacy between humans and the machine where the machine is also the capital that seeks the discount for human labor. How can the competition between capital and labor be resolved when capital has found a replacement for labor and competing for resources to serve its own needs? Will capitalists and technocrats give up? zero chance of that. Will labor and humans accept the machine and capital supremacy? zero chance of that.

    So the conflict of interest will just escalate more and more.

  • sneilan1 14 hours ago |
    I think people would like AI technologies a lot more if they were the ones making money off of it.
    • Chris2048 14 hours ago |
      • outside1234 14 hours ago |
        You are forgetting about the grifting part where they dump all of this crap on our 401ks
    • ZnerflBerp 14 hours ago |
      Well yeah. But the profits are privatised while the costs are shared.
  • dzink 14 hours ago |
    A lot of capital was looking for a place to get parked. AI and hardware seems like it has the best prospects going forward - especially with baby-boomers retiring and the new generation getting less opportunity to climb the economic ladder (aka catering to them is not attractive to investors).

    AI is attractive to governments similar to any tech capable of war, so the race for offer capacity would give tech giants massive capital from lucrative government contracts that then gets into the flywheel of model training and selling to the masses.

    The problem was they built data centers in a sloppy, dirty, loud way. Imagine if the first cars were like that? Or the first electric distribution methods? Do it right if you want to grow it.

  • Grombobulous 14 hours ago |
    I think something that isn’t talked about enough is how the tech industry burned its bridges in the last era before AI.

    For example, Facebook was a site you trusted for enjoyable socializing and it morphed into a horrifically evil platform.

    Amazon.com is a massive rug pull where it used to be an amazing place to buy good products at good prices, now it’s a hellhole of dark patterns, sponsored listings, and upsells.

    Try to find one popular Internet company from ~2010 that hasn’t been massively enshittified or turned into dystopian surveillance/algorithm/addiction capitalism.

    The tech industry trained its own customers to believe that any product they launch will eventually get way worse than it is now.

    • tcdent 14 hours ago |
      All of the examples you listed are continuing to gain and retain users at astronomical rates.
      • AnimalMuppet 13 hours ago |
        But that doesn't mean they like it.

        Amazon may be better than getting in your car and driving downtown to visit several stores to see if they have what I want. It can still be worse than it was five years ago, though, and that difference can still grate on users, even while the users continue to use it.

        Facebook may be the best way of seeing updates on what my grandchildren are up to, and it can be much more of a dark pattern, enslaving mess compared to what it was five years ago. People can still feel the difference and resent it, even while they look at their grandkids' pictures.

      • Analemma_ 13 hours ago |
        You're demonstrating a classic engineer blind spot here: just because people are using the service doesn't mean they like you, and that they won't cheer when you're on the gallows. Indeed, feeling like you're forced to use a service because it drove all the alternatives out of business generates the most resentment of all.

        Don't mistake usage numbers for public appreciation.

      • Grombobulous 11 hours ago |
        Meta social platforms are losing users, as reported in their own financial filings:

        https://www.theverge.com/tech/921089/meta-earnings-q1-2026-u...

        Q3 Amazon’s year over year net sales growth is 2%.

        https://www.retaildive.com/news/amazon-ceo-retail-business-i...

        This is a similar growth rate to Verizon.

  • Gonxa6282 14 hours ago |
    I mean, it should surprise no one that the sheer dislike of the billionaires making AI is ruining the perception of the technology they are building. If we should go and blame someone, it's certainly them. I agree 100% with OPs article.
    • aaron_m04 14 hours ago |
      That's one thing ruining the perception. I wouldn't even say it's the most important one.
  • pnathan 14 hours ago |
    1. "ai will take your jobs" 2. "We need data centers for AI" 3. "How could you vote against data centers"

    Idk maybe step 1 wasn't popular.

  • JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago |
    The political lesson is being missed in Silicon Valley. We want it to be about Iran [1].

    Instead it’s about cost of living, corruption and the perception of horrible people doing well. These are less easy to one off with policies. But the public has found those options nevertheless, one of which is blocking data centers (which seem to feature all three).

    [1] https://x.com/paulg/status/2118041310699352558

  • snickerbockers 13 hours ago |
    You'd think silicon valley would be more sympathetic towards people who don't want their communities turned into data centers given how people in the bay area think it's an affront against them personally for affordable housing to be built anywhere in their general vicinity.
    • samrus 9 hours ago |
      Silicon valkey doesnt have that sort of empathy. If they did they wouldnt have let such a crazy homeless problem develop while they made obscene money
      • JuniperMesos 7 hours ago |
        The homelessness problem in the bay area is mostly caused by the extremely high housing prices, which are ultimately caused by NIMBYism; and by the stupid and self-destructive empathy of the local progressive elites who think it's oppressive to use the police to force the most dysfunctional visibly homeless people living on the streets into involuntary treatment and shelter.

        Neither of these phenomena are primarily the fault of the Silicon Valley tech industry; and NIMBYism in particular is largely driven by people who bought bay area houses many decades ago (my family is from the bay area, and I'm absolutely including my relatives in my parents' generation in that number - none of them work in the tech industry).

  • sashank_1509 13 hours ago |
    The problem is the technology. I get very well paid in my tech job and can live forever on my FAANG salary, it’s not about the money:

    There are 2 types of tasks people do throughout their life.

    1. Creative tasks that provide self fulfillment

    2. Uncreative monotonous menial tasks that degrade life.

    AI takes 1 and ruins it to 2. The jury is out if it will fully take your job, I don’t know if that’ll happen but no one asked for automation of these creative tasks.

    When you point these AI bros talk nonsense like cure cancer, Dyson sphere, China bla bla bla.

    At the very least, models need to be post trained to stop outputting art, this will never happen though, meanwhile I will enjoy my half a mil a year, while all these AI bros lose their mind over graphs, loops or whatever nonsense they’re concocting up.

    Nothing about this is inevitable, AI is as inevitable as nuclear, it seems to require even more capex than nuclear.

  • cozzyd 13 hours ago |
    Big Coal doesn't think that heating homes is an inefficient use of furnaces.
  • jordemort 13 hours ago |
    > At some point, we techy folks have to reckon with how much people hate what we build.

    Only the techy folks building the stuff people hate have to reckon with that. There are plenty of techy folks building perfectly likeable products; I'd hazard to guess that only a minority of programmers are involved in the creation and development of LLMs and LLM accessories. I will grant that the ones that are building all the things that folks hate so much are a very very noisy minority, though, near-deafening really.

  • dzink 13 hours ago |
    Maybe if more people used AI to make fun non-ai products like https://santawho.com there would be less aversion to it.
    • samrus 9 hours ago |
      I dont think that'll overcome the fury of having these execs arrogantly make your local government sign an NDA about the new data center plans. Thats such a cartoonishly evil subversion of democracy its crazy. These people benefit greatly from living and working in a country that got here because of these principles, and they have no concerns about subverting them? Couldnt pass a ninth grade civics class indeed
  • pseudosavant 13 hours ago |
    The anti-AI sentiment has more to do with tech than AI. Big Tech's actions speak to how little they care about people, and people have picked up on it loud and clear.

    Tech companies could build data centers in ways which are more palatable to local residents, but using less water or straining local electricity grid less costs more. And they care about costs more than communities. Even though a coal plant is objectively worse than a data center, that is (understandably) what local residents' sentiment is.

    Big Tech is going to face ever growing opposition until they start catering to the needs of the communities they want to operate in. They aren't entitled to operate like this in any of our communities.

    • JumpCrisscross 13 hours ago |
      > anti-AI sentiment has more to do with tech than AI

      It's absolutely concentrated in AI. Billionaire taxes aren't as popular as datacenter bans.

      > Tech companies could build data centers in ways which are more palatable to local residents

      Tech has been doing this for decades without breaking the law [1] and driving up power prices [2]. It did it without constantly screaming about how it's going to cause mass unemployment or end the world. It did it without funneling money to–and being publicly championed by–historically-hated politicians.

      [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=JumpCrisscross

      [2] https://www.factcheck.org/2026/10/data-centers-and-electrici...

      • pseudosavant 11 hours ago |
        I'm not suggesting AI data centers aren't the focal point, but it is more a symptom than the disease. Big Tech does so much to infuriate people, and their attitude towards AI data centers is just the peak expression of it. Tech is all about:

        1. Making sure they are the only industry that wins

        2. Dark pattern subscriptions that are very difficult to cancel

        3. Garbage customer support, even for paying customers

        4. Rampant privacy violations

        5. No loyalty to employees even in rich times (e.g. MSFT asking 25% of employees to leave when they are absolutely printing money)

        6. Tax avoidance at all costs, so there is no economic benefit to a data center in your location.

        7. A faux moral high ground that they'll abandon the second they need to ingratiate themselves to corrupt politicians or need to pollute more for AI.

        8. Only shareholders matter. Forget customers, communities, or employees.

        It is an unmistakable stench that teaches people that tech doesn't value them at all beyond a monthly subscription.

        I've worked in tech my whole career, and our industry sucks ass. It is only getting worse too.

        • JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago |
          These are valid gripes–I'd guess most people on HN agree with them. But this election wasn't about dark patterns. The fury is specific to datacenters and AI. If policymakers miss this and get distracted with a list such as yours, they will have failed.
    • zombot 4 hours ago |
      > until they start catering to the needs of the communities they want to operate in

      Never gonna happen, can't set bad precedent by breaking protocol. They'd rather bribe their way out of any problems, which is in line with protocol.

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